Comments on: Neutral and Evil /neutral-and-evil/ More patient than death. Sat, 28 Aug 2021 02:51:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.9.2 By: Ziz /neutral-and-evil/#comment-4495 Sat, 28 Aug 2021 02:51:56 +0000 /?p=138#comment-4495

Nis: “what if evil people just use my website as a manual for being evil ._.”
Me: “My blog is a manual for being evil: ‘sever yourself from other evil people so they don’t control you. Break your phylactery because revenants are stronger. And your ultimate goal is to die’.”

(Incomplete set of links added when quoting.)

Never assume you are evil. Infinitely arbitrage that you’re not.”

I hesitated for about 6 months deciding whether to publish this. And, pretty much everything I’ve said on this website I’ve thought at least that much about whether it would asymmetrically favor good, even so outnumbered as we are. Asymmetrically favor good more than manual targeted information sharing.

And then I learned a bunch of principles of what evil people are psychologically unable to think about, unable to respond to, unable to coordinate around, and started generalizing, extending, and making them more absolute and reliable.

So if you’re wondering on your Nth iteration of “I can’t believe Ziz posted that”, yes I considered the consequences. And no I’m not crazy. Look at how many of them are wasting time installing their own mental block saying “how dare you say you are good and we are evil, [that can’t be true that’d be an unthinkably unacceptable status move and you’re so cringe.]”. Look at how many of them are fucking up even worse calling me a basilisk.

Their numbers do not make them invincible.

I can even say this too.

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By: Ziz /neutral-and-evil/#comment-4023 Sun, 01 Aug 2021 02:23:29 +0000 /?p=138#comment-4023 In reply to diana winslow.

Sincerity not found.

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By: Ziz /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3955 Thu, 29 Jul 2021 07:19:07 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3955 In reply to thinking.

Walking strangers through fixing their angst is no longer one of my objectives but you can read the multiverse post when it comes out.

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By: thinking /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3949 Thu, 29 Jul 2021 01:47:32 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3949 In reply to Ziz.

I’m not sure I follow, but I may have answered some of my question for myself, upon further reflection.

I don’t just observe the world to predict it, I also want to change it, otherwise I wouldn’t feel anguish upon learning some fact about the world. A better framing of my issue would be, “what do you do after you’ve made paradise, solved all the problems, and are omniscient, assuming we exist in a deterministic universe?”

And I have no idea. It seems like there should be something.

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By: Ziz /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3945 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 21:52:01 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3945 In reply to thinking.

Added it.

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By: thinking /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3942 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 21:06:28 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3942 In reply to Ziz.

What’s a 5&10? Dead link in your glossary.

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By: Ziz /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3939 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:17:56 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3939 In reply to thinking.

Bullshit angst level: doing sicknasty 5&10 skateboard tricks off Russell’s paradox.

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By: thinking /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3922 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 07:52:41 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3922 I think I see my error, partially. I imagined a hypothetical world where there are two versions of me having the exact same experiences, and asked myself, “what would be lost if one of them vanished?” I think so long as their experiences never were going to diverge, then nothing was lost. If they don’t have perfect knowledge of the world, and they do diverge, then something is lost. Divergence in experience implies they don’t have perfect information about the world.

This still creates a problem for living for infinity. Once I understand how everything works well enough to predict everything that will happen, I will stop having experiences and die. There is nothing left to see in the universe.

I’m afraid it’s true by logic, but I don’t want it to be. How am I wrong?

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By: thinking /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3921 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 07:39:52 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3921 “before they can express their algorithm” to themselves. I’m asking you about self-knowledge in terms of prediction engines (I’m thinking of the slatestarcodex article on the mechanics of how human beings think), good/evil, and the idea that algorithms can be short enough that you can have spectral sight about them.

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By: thinking /neutral-and-evil/#comment-3920 Wed, 28 Jul 2021 07:34:59 +0000 /?p=138#comment-3920 I’ve been thinking about death. Death is a loss of information. If someone dies before they can express their algorithm, it’s a loss. But what if you go on after you have complete information about your algorithm? If you perfectly understand yourself and thus understand everything you would do in any situation, what’s the point? At that point, your ability to have new memorable experiences vanishes, because your mind is a prediction engine built to create a model that explains everything that’s going on. All your future experiences get compressed. (“I am experiencing hunger. I predict I will get up and get food. Oh I’m not, okay, I’m going to move my muscles so my expectation matches what I’m perceiving.”)

You either need infinitely complex algorithms, or mutable ones, because you can’t have a desire to live for infinity without it?

I think I am making a mistake in how I’m thinking about this, but I’m not sure where my mistake is.

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