Comments on: My Journey to the Dark Side /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/ More patient than death. Sun, 29 Nov 2020 00:02:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.9.2 By: Ziz /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/#comment-1230 Sun, 29 Nov 2020 00:02:28 +0000 /?p=90#comment-1230 My take on Star Wars here is kind of a reaction to the prequels, which were all I was allowed to see when I was young. Where Anakin’s fall looks completely mundanely psychological, not like a magical values-altering drug. And created by imprint like positive and negative mold by the Jedi’s fear of themselves.

This also influenced me.

And this. Note these “light side Sith” do not seem to have any of the struggle of “temptation by the dark side” that the Jedi talk about. But like, are without worry of corruption as cunning secretive and ruthless as their “dark side” counterparts. (In other words, they look like they are using what I’d call the dark side but not evil.) In far darker situations. Being surrounded by and apparently answerable to enemies at all times is really trying.

Not paying much attention but I get the impression modern Star Wars fiction has moved on from this kind of accidental background model of how morality intersects with the force that makes more sense.

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By: Ziz /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/#comment-750 Mon, 18 May 2020 14:43:09 +0000 /?p=90#comment-750 In reply to Rupert.

I mean yes, but that awareness is already sort of, built in? Like you don’t specifically need to be self-aware to do what you want. Theories about your values are also things that you do according to your values.

If you haven’t decided to know what your values are by now, something’s interfering.

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By: Rupert /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/#comment-748 Sun, 17 May 2020 07:47:13 +0000 /?p=90#comment-748 Part of the deal is gaining some kind of direct introspective access to one’s “true” core values, right? As in, don’t just think, “Oh yeah, I suppose I probably want to do that because natural selection”, but gain some kind of direct access to the thing deep inside you that is making you want to do it.

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By: Ziz /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/#comment-147 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 23:33:07 +0000 /?p=90#comment-147 >Two years ago, I began doing a fundamental thing very differently in my mind, which directly preceded and explains me gaining the core of my unusual mental tech.

I disagree with the version of me who wrote this about the core of my unusual mental tech. I think something else is more fundamental (without becoming too fundamental that the causality is traced to more things not less and eventually out of me into the circumstances creating me), namely my undead type.

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By: Ziz /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/#comment-145 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 04:31:09 +0000 /?p=90#comment-145 In reply to Swerve.

Figuring out what a piece of not-entirely analyzed software does that you like exactly and how to do that without that software is like, not a problem I can solve for anyone in full generality. As in, it’s actually difficult work.

If you’re afraid of a particular bad effect of running a piece of software such that you can anticipate where it will show up, maybe just don’t run the software when you expect it’s not gonna do what you want?

Maybe just try and find ways of increasing the bandwidth by which an aesthetic you like can be decomposed without loss of important parts?

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By: Swerve /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/#comment-144 Thu, 04 Apr 2019 00:04:38 +0000 /?p=90#comment-144 Say you want to instantiate your true values. This means moving towards directly acting through those true values using structure made specifically for it and nothing else, instead of structure made for it and other things. An important question here is what do you do with self image/narrative?

Self image here means the mental construct I imagine as a more idealized/aesthetic version of myself. This construct is informed through what aggregate behavior I believe will best satisfy my values channeled into a form based on my aesthetic values. This makes it delicious and valuable for coordinating with my future self and enacting present behaviors which I reflexively endorse, but it is also vulnerable to hacking. For example, [[Galawain|https://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Book_of_the_Hunt]] is a very compelling aesthetic and narrative image, and as such I folded parts of this into my self image. This is a dangerous move, subject to easy contamination if I’m not careful. However these aesthetics feel incredibly pleasant to insantiate and live out through my behavior even if my enacting them is inconsistent at best. Is there a way to discard this structure of self image in order to directly channel the thing that appreciates the aesthetics of self image? I don’t know what that would even look like, and the thought of discarding this structure feels super icky and scary and like I don’t know what I would hold onto anymore. What other possible form could this take which is less vulnerable to cultural narratives and lets me enjoy the kinds of aesthetic value that I want to enjoy?

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By: SquirrelInHell /my-journey-to-the-dark-side/#comment-58 Sun, 03 Dec 2017 11:05:15 +0000 /?p=90#comment-58 You say all the right things! I cannot marry you right now but let’s be best friends forever

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