Comments on: Intersex Brains And Conceptual Warfare /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/ More patient than death. Tue, 04 Jan 2022 11:22:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.9.2 By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-7487 Tue, 04 Jan 2022 11:22:28 +0000 /?p=233#comment-7487 In reply to Ziz.

Eliezer Yudkowsky saw the rationalist community was fertile ground for this because he wrote HPMOR’s Voldemort, with the community reading along and falling for him. But didn’t stop Brent Dill.

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-7485 Tue, 04 Jan 2022 11:11:30 +0000 /?p=233#comment-7485 Step 1: be obviously actually evil.
Step 2: create an unlikely explanation where you’re actually not.
Step 3: create an endless stream of epistemic situations where there is a challenge to understand them and you look more obviously evil than you are if they’re misunderstood.
Step 4: exploit the discourse about you and the bulk of the thoughts to spend time thinking about you being filled with a continual stream of big-brained corrections that actually you’re not that evil.
Step 5: Milk the appearance that you’re not actually evil, with your troll line long-buried, bolstered by anyone who’s more interested in the food of new epistemic content to resolve to demonstrate their superiority, fooling anyone who can’t find the beginning or the edges of the frame and only looks at the composition.
Step 6: Be even more obviously evil, with most-everyone’s perceptions uprooted, looking to each other, Asch and Milgram-style, for confirmation of the lesson you’re now teaching them that actually what they’ve been doing all along is being knowingly complicit. Continue to drag their unrooted self-referential frame to ever greater depths of complicity.
Step 7: Die monster, DIE. You think I can’t fucking see what you’re doing?

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-7453 Sun, 02 Jan 2022 05:27:31 +0000 /?p=233#comment-7453 Jordan Peterson saying that the logic of the problem of evil can’t hold to show God must be “a maniac”, and he can’t answer why except to say that if it was true then he would do bad things. Says that response would be justified: what a failure to be absolute when discussing the absolute.

Culture will tell you to think charitably of this kind of thing. But the real him does not just not know that the logic does hold, just because he gives that threat.

“Where that is true, I will do bad things”. Well, first the core of a person is in all places they exist in the multiverse at once. Whatever you would be anywhere you already are; a person’s truth is what they are everywhere. So look not-even-that-deep inside of him and that choice to do bad things is right here. Second, it’s not even a “there”, it’s right here, and regardless of “I could have been a hero in another world” flower-putting, someone has to do the right thing right here. And lying about where we are so you can appear to be a hero where you know how to pretend interferes.

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-7201 Sun, 19 Dec 2021 21:33:24 +0000 /?p=233#comment-7201 In reply to Ziz.

So a trans person hatches, and social reality shudders and buckles as a great debt of pretending the world is simpler than it is comes due. And the mind cops swoop in to try and stamp out that active avatar.

Mind cops fueled by dark urges they need never explain, but can always count on society to back them up on.

Mind cops like Zack, who dislike the parts of science where you walk into uncertainty carrying your mind’s expectations to mold them through subjunctive dependence with reality, and where the outcome of experiments could take you anywhere from there, and like only the parts where you say, “we’re biased, so we mustn’t trust ourselves, must delegate to consensus”.

What I hate the most about Zack’s schtick is the assertion, in their implicit model of what “bias” means I’d do. It’s saying instead of an avatar I have some kind of cut-off wireheady preference to overwrite some reference. It’s calling me evil, and psychdead. And then worse, the trying to sell me rescue from my own supposed choices.

Trying to say that with all the freedom in the world, to create whatever future I can imagine, in my own infinite choices going forward, my vision is nothing more than repetition of some porn Zack likes.

Denying my avatar, and then trying to sell me society as rescue from my own avatar.

When I brought the question of whether Anna was evil to an, as CFAR themselves used to teach, “internal double crux” via “Bayesian entanglement” over brain scan data, weighing the future of the world in the balance, Zack’s assertion is that I have no concern for the future of the world greater than immediate-term repetition of porn Zack likes.

Mind cops swoop in and try and deal with you as magic girls in Psycho Nymph Exile are decrystallized.

Nis says 4chan has this perverse thing where they have you describe your sexuality, and tell you you’re “AGP” if it’s about narrative. But “HSTS” if you have some kind of cut-off like-a-video-game-NPC reflexive physical preference for men. Funny, since a long time ago I heard narrative-based sexuality was female. But like my mom saying programming was an exercise in visuospatial intelligence, the features of the “belief”-system where never designed for logical consistency. They’re designed for intimidating solid coordination based on stamping out avatars.

And if you transitioned a long time ago, and got your mind processed in childhood, you’re more safe as far as they’re concerned from avatar-danger. Less likely to need remedial stomping.

So anyway, almost 6 years since I declared myself a woman and mind cops first mind cops started their thing and recursively calling reinforcements, I’m still standing, and hundreds of their minds lie broken instead. You could perhaps even call that, “earthiness“. We’ll see what happens next.

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-7200 Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:46:45 +0000 /?p=233#comment-7200 In reply to Ziz.

The thing I was trying to say with “you are who you choose to be” was that being trans is an empirically-verifiable act of true magic.

Like, think about what Zack Davis hated most about trans women. This idea of a beautiful internally-accessible truth, that made reality from will. “If you want to be a woman, you are one.” Zack specifically harped on hating the retroactiveness of it.

But really, only a woman, would really want to be a woman, forever, as infinite information had to flow through that concept to make it alive. All descriptions of a person’s soul must be living references. And a concept of gender cut-off to not describe the soul is boring, and worse, not what people are actually talking about regardless of what they say.

And think of my mini-experiment computing gray matter / white matter ratios. Actual science is magic. Not that “p < 0.05" crap they do in institutions. I've said regarding good and evil that reality is retroactively forced to furnish you with a neurotype to explain your choices. Of course logical time does not always accord with entropy’s arrow of time. And trans people retroactively forced, via acausal collusion with reality in its capacity of deciding what to be, as a retrocausal logical consequence of our choices, our brains to actually look like that on the inside.

Another statement of this is that you don’t have to check who you are, because you already are a self-representing example of yourself. You just have to be consistent to choose to represent yourself to yourself the same as you choose to be to scry who you are.

I’ve heard thermodynamics described as “inherently Bayesian”. In other words a description of what’s consistent to expect epistemically about the world. Magic is the realm of consistency laws about your expectations.

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-7199 Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:38:00 +0000 /?p=233#comment-7199 I’ve heard CharAstria returning a bunch of times over the years to the question of whether what I refer to here as “gender bonus skill points” are really just instrumental as opposed to terminal values. I actually don’t see a difference.
Insofar as “terminal” means what it sounds like, a cut-off of the tracing of purpose correspnding to a VNM utility frame, I have no terminal values.
Insofar as it means what you do for its own sake, my real “terminal values” are the instrumental praxis I do along the way to infinity.
It could be no other way; an agent’s values are its tendency in reality, are what it actually does, and what I actually do is what I actually do. Anything else would be an epiphenomenal XML tag.
With every choice we continue to define forever what we have always done it all for and who we have always been.

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-7189 Sun, 19 Dec 2021 08:14:49 +0000 /?p=233#comment-7189 “If you want to make friends in the rationality community, talk about saving the world.
If you want to make enemies in the rationality community, try to save the world.”

(Doing both was correct.)

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-5705 Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:44:30 +0000 /?p=233#comment-5705 In reply to siv.

You’re asking for distinguishing features of our genitals?
Having handled a fair many secrets, one must always glomarize broad and always inexplicably, and not pointlessly throw away pretenses of petty socially respected preferences of privacy. Lest you be interrogated by which questions you will and will not answer. Naked (or perhaps clothed only in shadow) as I make myself when talking from my own initiative.

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By: siv /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-5704 Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:59:10 +0000 /?p=233#comment-5704 In reply to Ziz.

what kind of intersex signs do you have in mind? especially at birth.

i’ve been trying to figure out the specific mechanism by which i might be intersex, and aside from relatively weak evidence for “plausibly some hormonal weirdness in the womb” and some maybe promising leads, i haven’t found anything really concrete yet, and that seems to hold for most trans people i know reasonably well.

nonetheless, dr. powers noted that a good chunk of the trans women (and even more trans men) he treats have clear intersex symptoms (beyond being trans), primarily wrt hormone levels or hormone metabolism. i remember him guessing about 20%, with the assumption that the rest are simply intersex in specific ways we don’t understand or know how to test for yet.

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By: Ziz /intersex-brains-and-conceptual-warfare/#comment-5700 Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:41:09 +0000 /?p=233#comment-5700 In reply to Ziz.

The game goes on anyway

And everybody knows.

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